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Backsaws: Dovetail, Carcase and Tenon Saws

A backsaw trades depth of cut for control. A thin plate, held straight by a heavy spine, makes the precise, shallow cuts that joints are built from. This guide explains the anatomy, compares the three common sizes against makers’ published figures, and matches each to the joints it cuts.

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Plate —A backsaw: a thin plate stiffened by a spine along its top edge. The distance from the tooth line to the spine is the deepest cut it can make.

What makes a backsaw a backsaw

A backsaw is a short saw with a thin plate and a stiff strip — the back, or spine — folded or fixed along its top edge (see the plate above). The spine holds the plate flat and straight, so the plate can be thinner than an unsupported saw’s and still stay true in the cut. Veritas describes its composite spine as providing the saw’s strength and rigidity.

The spine sets the limit too. The saw cannot cut deeper than the distance from its tooth line to the underside of the spine, so a backsaw is for joints and small parts, not for sawing boards to width. That trade — depth for control — is the whole point of the tool.

  • Plate: thin steel carrying the teeth. Published figures include 0.020 in for Lie-Nielsen’s dovetail, carcass and tenon saws and 0.024 in for Veritas’s tenon saws.
  • Spine: brass, steel or composite, adding weight and stiffness. The weight helps the saw cut without being pressed down.
  • Tooth line: usually fine and lightly set. Lie-Nielsen gives 0.003 in of set per side on its smallest backsaw, for a 0.026 in kerf, and says the narrow kerf helps the saw cut straight.
  • Handle: a closed or pistol grip that sets the angle of the push. Veritas shapes its handle so that the index finger rests on the spine, pointing along the saw.

Dovetail, carcase and tenon saws

Backsaws come in a range of sizes, and makers group them under three common names. Carcase and carcass are both used; Lie-Nielsen and Veritas both write carcass. The figure draws one maker’s three saws to the same scale, so their differences in length and depth can be compared directly.

Fig. 1 —Lie-Nielsen’s dovetail, carcass and tapered tenon saws drawn to one scale from the maker’s published dimensions. Other makers’ saws differ.
Representative backsaw sizes and tooth counts from two makers
SawMakerBlade lengthDepth of cutTeeth and filing
DovetailLie-Nielsen10 in1⅝ in15 ppi, rip
DovetailVeritas9¼ inabout 1 9⁄16 in14 or 20 tpi, rip
CarcassLie-Nielsen14 in2¼ in14 ppi, crosscut
CarcassVeritas11 in2⅜ in14 tpi crosscut or 12 tpi rip
Tenon (tapered)Lie-Nielsen16 in2⅝ in at the toe, 3 in at the heel11 ppi, rip
TenonVeritas16 innearly 4 in9 tpi rip or 12 tpi crosscut

Lie-Nielsen quotes points per inch and Veritas teeth per inch; ppi is tpi + 1, so a 15 ppi saw and a 14 tpi saw share a pitch. See the handsaw guide for the distinction.

What each size is for

Dovetail saw
The smallest and finest. Lie-Nielsen describes dovetailing as a ripping operation, which is why dovetail saws are usually filed rip. Veritas matches its 14 tpi saw to stock ½ to ¾ in thick and its 20 tpi saw to stock ½ in and thinner.
Carcass saw
The middle size and the most general. Lie-Nielsen gives its crosscut carcass saw for cuts across the grain, tenon shoulders and the edges of dados; Veritas calls its carcass saws general-utility saws for cabinet joints, trimming frame members and small to medium tenons.
Tenon saw
The largest, for deep cuts. Lie-Nielsen describes its tenon saw as for deep, accurate cuts in furniture joinery; filed rip, it saws tenon cheeks.

Rip or crosscut filing

Each joint is made of cuts along the grain and across it, and a backsaw is filed for one or the other. The rule is the same as for full-size saws: rip teeth for cuts along the grain, crosscut teeth for cuts across it. Veritas notes that most dovetail cuts are rip cuts, and uses crosscut saws for work such as tenon shoulders.

Tooth count follows the thickness of the stock. A fine-toothed saw in thick wood clogs and cuts slowly; a coarse one in thin wood can tear it and is hard to start. The makers’ own guidance, such as Veritas’s pairing of tooth count with stock thickness, is a sound starting point.

Choosing a backsaw by the joint

Joint to backsaw: which saw, which filing
CutDirectionBacksawFiling
Dovetail tails and pinsAlong the grainDovetail sawRip
Tenon cheeks, small tenonsAlong the grainDovetail or carcass saw, within its depthRip
Tenon cheeks, long tenonsAlong the grainTenon sawRip
Tenon shouldersAcross the grainCarcass sawCrosscut
Edges of dados and housingsAcross the grainCarcass sawCrosscut
Small parts to length, mitres in a guideAcross the grainCarcass sawCrosscut

A cut deeper than the saw’s depth under the spine needs a bigger saw, whatever the joint.

Sawing to a knife line

Backsaw joinery depends on the layout. The measuring and marking guide covers the knifed and gauged lines these cuts follow; the guide to cutting straight covers starting and tracking a cut. Two points matter more with a backsaw than anywhere else.

  • Saw on the waste side, touching the line. In a joint, half a kerf on the wrong side is a loose fit.
  • Give crosscuts a wall to start against. Deepen a knifed shoulder line with a chisel, paring a small V from the waste side. The saw’s teeth drop into the V and the finished shoulder is the knife line itself.

Worked example: sawing a tenon cheek to a knife line

  1. Check the saw’s depth

    Compare the tenon’s length with the depth under the spine. A 1½ in tenon fits under Lie-Nielsen’s 1⅝ in dovetail saw with little to spare; a 2½ in tenon needs a saw deeper than the carcass saw’s 2¼ in, such as a tenon saw.

  2. Mark from the reference face

    Gauge both cheek lines from the reference face, around the end grain and down both edges to the knifed shoulder line.

  3. Hold the work upright in the vice

    Angle it slightly away from you so that you can see the line on the end grain and the line on the near edge.

  4. Start at the far corner

    Start on the waste side of the cheek line at the far corner and saw diagonally down the near edge to the shoulder line, watching both lines.

  5. Turn the work and repeat

    Reverse the board in the vice and saw the other diagonal, so the two kerfs meet in a V.

  6. Level the cut

    Set the work upright and saw straight down, the saw guided by the two diagonal kerfs, until the cut reaches the shoulder line across its full width.

  7. Saw the shoulder

    Lay the part on a bench hook and saw the shoulder with a crosscut-filed saw, starting in the chiselled V on the waste side of the knife line.

Note— Leave the fit to the plane or chisel

Saw the cheek just clear of the line if you are unsure, and bring it to the line with a shoulder plane, router plane or chisel. A cheek sawn too thin cannot be made thicker.

Control, stiffness and their limits

The spine that makes a backsaw accurate also makes it specialised. It limits the depth of cut, so the saw cannot rip a board to width. The thin plate cuts a narrow kerf with little effort, but it will follow a twist in the grip as readily as a line, so the grip stays relaxed and the saw’s weight does the cutting.

For cuts the spine will not allow, use a full-size saw from the handsaw guide. For a thinner plate that cuts on the pull stroke, see the Japanese saw guide, and for curves and waste removal between dovetails, the coping saw guide.

Sources

All dimensions are the makers’ own published figures for particular saws, given as examples; other makers size their saws differently. The sawing method is established bench practice, explained in BenchRoot’s own words.

  1. 1.

    Dovetail Saw (1-SAW-DS) specifications. Lie-Nielsen Toolworks.

    Used for: Dovetail saw: 10 in blade, 0.020 in plate, 1⅝ in deep, 15 ppi rip, 0.003 in set, 0.026 in kerf; dovetailing described as a ripping operation.

  2. 2.

    Carcass Saw specifications. Lie-Nielsen Toolworks.

    Used for: Carcass saw: 14 in blade, 0.020 in plate, 2¼ in deep, 14 ppi crosscut; used across the grain, for tenon shoulders and dado edges.

  3. 3.

    Tapered Tenon Saw specifications. Lie-Nielsen Toolworks.

    Used for: Tenon saw: 16 in blade, 0.020 in plate, 2⅝ in deep at the toe and 3 in at the heel, 11 ppi rip; for deep, accurate cuts in furniture joinery.

  4. 4.

    Small Joinery Saws — instructions. Veritas Tools Inc., 2019.

    Used for: Most dovetail cuts are rip cuts; crosscut saws for tenon shoulders; 14 tpi for ½ to ¾ in stock and 20 tpi for ½ in and thinner.

  5. 5.

    Veritas Dovetail Saws. Veritas Tools Inc. / Lee Valley.

    Used for: Dovetail saw: 9¼ in blade, 0.020 in plate, cut depth about 1 9⁄16 in, 14 or 20 tpi rip.

  6. 6.

    Carcass Saws — instructions. Veritas Tools Inc., 2018.

    Used for: Carcass saws: 11 in blade, 2⅜ in cutting depth, 14 tpi crosscut or 12 tpi rip; described as general-utility saws for cabinet joints and small to medium tenons.

  7. 7.

    Veritas Rip & Crosscut Tenon Saws. Veritas Tools Inc. / Lee Valley.

    Used for: Tenon saws: 16 in blade, 0.024 in plate, nearly 4 in cut depth, 9 tpi rip or 12 tpi crosscut.

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