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Japanese Saws: Ryoba, Dozuki and Flush-Cut Saws

Japanese saws cut on the pull stroke, and much of what makes them different follows from that. This guide explains the mechanics, the common types and their jobs, the replaceable-blade system many of them use, and where a Western saw remains the better fit.

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Plate —Pulled, a saw plate is in tension and stays straight; pushed, it is in compression and tends to bow, which a push saw resists with thickness, taper or a spine.

Cutting on the pull stroke

A Western saw cuts as it is pushed away; a Japanese saw cuts as it is pulled back. The difference matters because of what each stroke does to the plate (see the plate above). Pulled from the handle, the plate is in tension, and a plate in tension has no tendency to bend sideways. Pushed, it is in compression, and a thin strip in compression tends to bow unless something stiffens it.

That is why the two traditions stiffen their saws differently. A Western handsaw relies on the thickness and taper of its plate; a Western backsaw relies on its spine. A Japanese saw can rely on the stroke itself, so its plate can be very thin. The published figures show the range: Gyokucho gives 0.5 mm for its #610 ryoba and 0.3 mm for its #370 dozuki, against 0.020 in (about 0.5 mm) for Lie-Nielsen’s backsaw plates and 0.024 in (about 0.6 mm) for Veritas’s tenon saws.

The comparison is worth reading carefully. A Western backsaw is not a thick saw — its spine lets it be thin. What the pull stroke adds is a thin plate without a spine, as on the ryoba, and an even thinner one with a spine, as on the dozuki.

The common types and their jobs

Japanese saw types and their common jobs
SawFormExample specificationCommon jobs
RyobaTwo tooth lines on one plate: crosscut on one edge, rip on the other; no spineGyokucho #610: 240 mm, 0.5 mm plate, 15 tpi crosscut / 8 tpi ripGeneral cutting along and across the grain; deep cuts, since no spine limits depth
DozukiOne tooth line and a metal spine; the Japanese counterpart of a dovetail sawGyokucho #370: 240 mm, 0.3 mm plate, 26 tpi crosscut; #372 filed rip at 19 tpiDovetails, tenons and other fine joinery, within the depth under the spine
KatabaOne tooth line and no spineVaries by makerCuts deeper than a dozuki allows, with a single tooth pattern
Flush-cut saw (kugihiki)A thin, flexible plate whose teeth have no setGyokucho #1150: 100 mm, 0.3 mm plate, 25 tpi, no setTrimming dowels, plugs and through-joints flush with a surface

Specifications are one maker’s examples as published by Hida Tool. Tooth counts and plate thicknesses vary between saws and makers.

The ryoba’s two edges make it a general saw, but they need to be used the right way round: the rip edge for cuts along the grain, the crosscut edge for cuts across it, as with the rip and crosscut teeth explained in the handsaw guide.

Why a flush-cut saw has no set

Set bends the teeth outward so the plate clears the kerf. On a flush-cut saw, set would scratch the surface the saw lies on. With none, the plate can be laid flat on the work and flexed against it, and it cuts a protruding dowel or joint off level with the surface without marking it.

Impulse-hardened teeth and replaceable blades

Many Japanese saws, including the Gyokucho saws above, have impulse-hardened teeth. Hida Tool describes Gyokucho’s process as heating the cutting edge with an electric current for 0.003 to 0.005 seconds, which hardens the surface of the teeth while leaving the steel behind them flexible. The teeth stay sharp for a long time, but they are harder than a saw file, so they cannot be resharpened. When the teeth dull, the blade is replaced; many saws are made so the blade can be changed in the handle.

Saws with unhardened teeth, including most traditional Western saws, are sharpened with files instead. Which system suits you depends on how you work.

Replaceable or resharpenable?

  • Replaceable blades: no sharpening skill or files needed.
  • Replaceable blades: a fresh edge whenever a new blade is fitted.
  • Replaceable blades: check that replacement blades are available for the handle you buy.
  • Replaceable blades: a chipped or bent blade is replaced, not repaired.
  • Resharpenable saw: can be filed and set again many times.
  • Resharpenable saw: needs files, a saw vice and the skill to use them — or a saw sharpener.
  • Resharpenable saw: tooth shape can be adjusted when it is filed.
  • Resharpenable saw: dulls sooner than hardened teeth.

Kerf, control and limitations

A thin plate makes a narrow kerf, which removes less wood and takes less effort to push through — or pull through. It also makes a saw that responds to the slightest twist of the grip. That is the other side of the thin plate: it bends if it is forced, twisted or pushed on the return stroke, and a kinked plate may not come straight again. Let the pull do the cutting and let the saw ride back without pressure.

Japanese saws are also sensitive to technique in the same ways as any saw. The start, the stance and the line decide the cut; the guide to cutting straight covers them for every saw.

Pull saws and push saws compared

Japanese pull saws and Western push saws compared
FeatureJapanese pull sawWestern push saw
Cutting strokePull, toward the userPush, away from the user
What keeps the plate straightTension on the cutting stroke; a spine on the dozukiPlate thickness and taper; a spine on backsaws
Example plates0.3 mm (dozuki, flush-cut) to 0.5 mm (ryoba), Gyokucho0.020–0.024 in (0.5–0.6 mm) on Lie-Nielsen and Veritas backsaws
TeethUsually impulse-hardened; replaced, not sharpenedUsually filed and resharpened when dull; induction-hardened hardpoint saws are replaced instead
Rip and crosscutBoth on one ryoba plate, or separate sawsSeparate saws, or a general-purpose tooth
HandleUsually a long, straight handleUsually a pistol or closed grip

Neither is better in general. Many workshops keep both: a Western backsaw for joinery sawn at the bench, and a ryoba or flush-cut saw for the jobs they suit.

Sources

Saw dimensions, tooth counts and the hardening process are the makers’ figures for particular saws, as published by the retailer below; other saws differ. The explanation of tension and compression is basic mechanics, stated no more strongly than the comparison of plate thicknesses supports.

  1. 1.

    Gyokucho #610 Ryoba (Double-Sided) Saw, 240 mm — specifications. Hida Tool.

    Used for: Ryoba: 240 mm blade, 0.5 mm thick, 15 tpi crosscut and 8 tpi rip; impulse hardening; replacement blades; teeth not sharpenable.

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    Gyokucho #370 Dozuki (Dovetail) Saw, 240 mm — specifications. Hida Tool.

    Used for: Dozuki: 240 mm blade, 0.3 mm thick, 26 tpi crosscut, metal spine; for dovetails and tenons; impulse-hardened replaceable blade.

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    Gyokucho #372 Rip Cut Dozuki Saw — specifications. Hida Tool.

    Used for: A rip-filed dozuki: 0.3 mm plate, 19 tpi rip.

  4. 4.

    Gyokucho #1150 Flush Cut Saw, 100 mm — specifications. Hida Tool.

    Used for: Flush-cut saw: 0.3 mm plate, 25 tpi, teeth with no set, very flexible; for cutting dowels flush.

  5. 5.

    Jonathan Katz-Moses. Japanese Hand Saws: What You Need & How To Cut Like An Expert. KM Tools.

    Used for: Japanese saws cut on the pull stroke and Western saws on the push; the uses of ryoba, dozuki, kataba and flush-cut saws.

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    Dovetail Saw (1-SAW-DS) and Carcass Saw specifications. Lie-Nielsen Toolworks.

    Used for: Western backsaw plates for comparison: 0.020 in (about 0.5 mm), stiffened by a brass back.

  7. 7.

    Hand Saw Guide: Types, How to Use & Sharpening Tips. RS Components.

    Used for: Hardpoint saws with induction-hardened teeth are replaced rather than resharpened.

  8. 8.

    Veritas Rip & Crosscut Tenon Saws. Veritas Tools Inc. / Lee Valley.

    Used for: A Western tenon-saw plate for comparison: 0.024 in (about 0.6 mm).

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